Comments on: Social Networks, Physics, Civilizations — Do they All Obey the Same Underlying Rules? http://www.novaspivack.com/science/social-networks-physics-civilizations-do-they-all-obey-the-same-underlying-rules The Future of the Web, Search Technology, and the Global Brain Wed, 03 Mar 2010 00:57:53 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Sarah http://www.novaspivack.com/science/social-networks-physics-civilizations-do-they-all-obey-the-same-underlying-rules/comment-page-1#comment-1859 Sarah Sat, 06 Nov 2004 22:33:39 +0000 http://www.novaspivack.com/uncategorized/social-networks-physics-civilizations-do-they-all-obey-the-same-underlying-rules#comment-1859 Wow, i am thrilled by this disscusion, this type of thinking is the way to find it all out, im new to this site but im loving what im reading. I have just recently stubbled upon this world of thinking, Looking for patterns and relationships, i know i might be taking up space with my words but i just had to point out what beauty this idea holds, and im only understanding the surface. I wish they introduced this in school when i was younger, mabe they did but i didnt relize it then. Wow, i am thrilled by this disscusion, this type of thinking is the way to find it all out, im new to this site but im loving what im reading. I have just recently stubbled upon this world of thinking, Looking for patterns and relationships, i know i might be taking up space with my words but i just had to point out what beauty this idea holds, and im only understanding the surface. I wish they introduced this in school when i was younger, mabe they did but i didnt relize it then.

]]> By: raiph http://www.novaspivack.com/science/social-networks-physics-civilizations-do-they-all-obey-the-same-underlying-rules/comment-page-1#comment-1858 raiph Fri, 06 Aug 2004 17:03:18 +0000 http://www.novaspivack.com/uncategorized/social-networks-physics-civilizations-do-they-all-obey-the-same-underlying-rules#comment-1858 Imo it's all quite simple. It's all cybernetics. Put another way, it's all due to (that is, an inevitable consequence of) self-organization. Which is due to feedback loops. Which are due to perturbations. Which are due to interconnectedness. Which is due to self-reference. Simple, and sufficient. Actually it's all rather arbitrary. One can distill it down to self-reference. Once self-reference is possible -- and simply discussing it demonstrates that it is at some level -- then it turns out, by the above, that the universe must exist, and do so as it is observed. One way to explain it is the sequence above, but I would expect that to be just one of arbitrarily many possible recursive / non-linear / emergent explanations. Imo it’s all quite simple. It’s all cybernetics.
Put another way, it’s all due to (that is, an inevitable consequence of) self-organization. Which is due to feedback loops. Which are due to perturbations. Which are due to interconnectedness. Which is due to self-reference.
Simple, and sufficient.
Actually it’s all rather arbitrary. One can distill it down to self-reference. Once self-reference is possible — and simply discussing it demonstrates that it is at some level — then it turns out, by the above, that the universe must exist, and do so as it is observed. One way to explain it is the sequence above, but I would expect that to be just one of arbitrarily many possible recursive / non-linear / emergent explanations.

]]> By: Nova Spivack http://www.novaspivack.com/science/social-networks-physics-civilizations-do-they-all-obey-the-same-underlying-rules/comment-page-1#comment-1857 Nova Spivack Tue, 03 Feb 2004 13:30:55 +0000 http://www.novaspivack.com/uncategorized/social-networks-physics-civilizations-do-they-all-obey-the-same-underlying-rules#comment-1857 Interesting Rikkert, It would be great to hear a lot more about your formalization ideas. There are a number of scientists I am working with who would be fascinated. Perhaps you can write this up, or have done so already? I would enjoy seeing your thoughts -- formal or informal -- on the matter! Nova Interesting Rikkert, It would be great to hear a lot more about your formalization ideas. There are a number of scientists I am working with who would be fascinated. Perhaps you can write this up, or have done so already? I would enjoy seeing your thoughts — formal or informal — on the matter!
Nova

]]> By: Rikkert Swets http://www.novaspivack.com/science/social-networks-physics-civilizations-do-they-all-obey-the-same-underlying-rules/comment-page-1#comment-1856 Rikkert Swets Tue, 03 Feb 2004 01:23:48 +0000 http://www.novaspivack.com/uncategorized/social-networks-physics-civilizations-do-they-all-obey-the-same-underlying-rules#comment-1856 Hi, I like your attempt at modelling abstract networks. I found it very insightfull. I have been trying to do the same thing lately, and have some suggestions for refinements of your model. You give an imported place to "relationships" in your model, and let them be mediated by "measurements" (where you define several types of measurement, selfmeasurement and (dampened/enhanced) measurement of other "nodes"). I'd suggest to represent relationships between nodes by operations on the state (represented by some relevant set of variables) of the nodes. The different ways of measurement are possible opperations, but there are lots of other ways nodes can relate. Think of operators in physics or the "loan" operator in finance, the "reproduction" operator in biology, etc. Mathematical definition of these operations would then allow you a lot of ways to analyse the network, it's properties and its behaviour, much like the way this is done in physics. Hi,
I like your attempt at modelling abstract networks. I found it very insightfull. I have been trying to do the same thing lately, and have some suggestions for refinements of your model.
You give an imported place to “relationships” in your model, and let them be mediated by “measurements” (where you define several types of measurement, selfmeasurement and (dampened/enhanced) measurement of other “nodes”). I’d suggest to represent relationships between nodes by operations on the state (represented by some relevant set of variables) of the nodes. The different ways of measurement are possible opperations, but there are lots of other ways nodes can relate. Think of operators in physics or the “loan” operator in finance, the “reproduction” operator in biology, etc.
Mathematical definition of these operations would then allow you a lot of ways to analyse the network, it’s properties and its behaviour, much like the way this is done in physics.

]]> By: Preoccupations http://www.novaspivack.com/science/social-networks-physics-civilizations-do-they-all-obey-the-same-underlying-rules/comment-page-1#comment-1860 Preoccupations Thu, 29 Jan 2004 20:16:58 +0000 http://www.novaspivack.com/uncategorized/social-networks-physics-civilizations-do-they-all-obey-the-same-underlying-rules#comment-1860 <strong>Patterning rules</strong> Nova Spivack and Howard Bloom: I believe that an empirical study of existing social networks on different levels of scale is one route to finding the general pattern we are looking for: All social networks — at all levels of Patterning rules

Nova Spivack and Howard Bloom: I believe that an empirical study of existing social networks on different levels of scale is one route to finding the general pattern we are looking for: All social networks — at all levels of

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